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[rebel-builders] Rebel seats

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:31 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Ben !

The seat frames are very nice. You might want to talk to an upholstery
shop about sewing a heavy canvas sling around the tubes for the back
and bottom, instead of rivetting on those aluminum sheets.....

Drilling all those holes will weaken the frames, and the canvas slings
will fit your bottom much better than the rigid aluminum. You will
want seat cushions at least 6" to 8" thick - ideally with temperfoam
for the top 3" or so. The idea is to use firm foam for the base,
medium in the middle, and 1 or 2" of soft on top, for comfort.
Triangles of foam at the sides of the back & bottom make nice bolsters,
for a bucket seat comfort fit...

I've seen too many Rebels with 1" thick seats - you can't see out
properly, and they get verrrry hard very quickly !! :-(

The Moose also benefits from extra thick seat bases...

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On Wednesday 26 March 2008 17:15, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
FWIW I'm in agreement with the analog (bubble) level being fine. In fact
I roll my eyes at a presumed 'digital is better', sort of like 'it must be
right because it came from the computer'. But the digital is fast. Put
it on, read it, boom you're done. Move down the wing, check again, done.
And if you want to be persnickety, you can interpolate between 0.1
read-outs by barely lifting one end and seeing how soon it increments
within that lift distance --- not that I ever do that! ;)

Got my cabin roof skin on and the 3/16 rivets all in on the top front
carry through gussets late last night. Hope that loud pop on the 3/16
rivets didn't annoy too many neighbors. I went to bed dog tired ...need
to find some more coffee! Further digressing, I got out my seat frames
and rails last wknd looking ahead to floor channels. I looked for an hour
trying to find my rails -- if only I had looked at my inventory
spreadsheet first (Doh!) I was impressed with the quality of those seat
frames.
-Ben


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[rebel-builders] Rebel seats

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:31 pm
by Ron Shannon
Ben,

I second Bob's suggestion to use slings instead of the sheet aluminum
riveted to the frames. I had Oregon Aero build my seat upholstery from the
frames on up, starting with heavy canvas slings, then their multi-layered
multi-density foam under the fabric. They turned out very nice, and are
certainly stronger overall.

Ron


On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Bob Patterson <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:
Hi Ben !

The seat frames are very nice. You might want to talk to an
upholstery
shop about sewing a heavy canvas sling around the tubes for the back
and bottom, instead of rivetting on those aluminum sheets.....

Drilling all those holes will weaken the frames, and the canvas slings
will fit your bottom much better than the rigid aluminum. You will
want seat cushions at least 6" to 8" thick - ideally with temperfoam
for the top 3" or so. The idea is to use firm foam for the base,
medium in the middle, and 1 or 2" of soft on top, for comfort.
Triangles of foam at the sides of the back & bottom make nice bolsters,
for a bucket seat comfort fit...

I've seen too many Rebels with 1" thick seats - you can't see out
properly, and they get verrrry hard very quickly !! :-(

The Moose also benefits from extra thick seat bases...


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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:31 pm
by Jean Poirier
Hello Bob

Hum... Seats already riveted! I know there are some deals sometimes at
Sun'Fun on temper foam... If someone can drive them back...! How much
most of you have paid for nice/average job from local shop? I know Oregon
but their prices are high!

Jean
Rebel 747R


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[rebel-builders] Rebel seats

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:31 pm
by Bob Patterson
Hi Jean !

Dunno about just seats - could be anything from about $200 -
$600, depending on whether you supply the fabric & foam ...
I would use Naugahyde for the sides, for better wear, and cloth
for the centers, for coolness ...

I do know of a few guys who have had complete interiors
done for about $1,500 - that is, seats, with pockets on the back,
door panels, with pockets, rear fuselage 'curtain' to close off the
rear of the baggage area, ...and strips along the top bulkhead
over the doors, to make small storage compartments there
for glasses, etc.
... all in Naugahyde & cloth, in matching colours, and a couple
also got cloth headliners & lightweight carpet included.

There's a guy in the Toronto area - think he's called
"The Travelling Tailor" .... who drives a special van to your site,
and does the sewing right there ! I think he is booked
several months in advance, so has to be called EARLY !!!!
Don't know if he'd drive to Quebec, though .... ;-)
Most any upholstery shop should do .... try the boat or RV
places ..

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

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On Friday 28 March 2008 19:23, jean.poirier@oxyportneuf.com wrote:
Hello

How much could I expect for a pair of seats in a Rebel (I supply the
standard frames)...

Jean
Rebel 747R


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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:31 pm
by Bob and Olga Johnson
Don Chisholm (chizmsupholstery@rogers.com) is the name of the travelling
upholsterer. And you are right Bob, he is a busy fellow and anyone should
plan ahead for timing. Pierre and I where arranging him for the Moose
interior before it went West. He will send you samples of fabric and colours
to decide on ahead of time. Bob J

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Hi Jean !


There's a guy in the Toronto area - think he's called
"The Travelling Tailor" .... who drives a special van to your site,
and does the sewing right there ! I think he is booked
several months in advance, so has to be called EARLY !!!!
Don't know if he'd drive to Quebec, though .... ;-)
Most any upholstery shop should do .... try the boat or RV
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:31 pm
by bransom
My preferences will be to just get the seats for starters -- and if it gets
complicated I'll sit on nearly anything for the first 25-40 hours. I
figure I'll have plenty of time after first flight to get the interior up
to par (or hopefully even 3- or 4 star). Thanks for the reminder on the
slings Bob. I've got a little experience with sail repair and catamaran
trampolines, so putting slings on sounds easy enough. I suppose nylon mesh
is not a good idea though in terms of what it does in the event of fire.
On the other hand, if that part is hot enf to burn, I suppose my luck is
already run out. :)
-Ben
Hi Jean !

Dunno about just seats - could be anything from about $200 -
$600, depending on whether you supply the fabric & foam ...
I would use Naugahyde for the sides, for better wear, and cloth
for the centers, for coolness ...

I do know of a few guys who have had complete interiors
done for about $1,500 - that is, seats, with pockets on the back,
door panels, with pockets, rear fuselage 'curtain' to close off the
rear of the baggage area, ...and strips along the top bulkhead
over the doors, to make small storage compartments there
for glasses, etc.
... all in Naugahyde & cloth, in matching colours, and a couple
also got cloth headliners & lightweight carpet included.

There's a guy in the Toronto area - think he's called
"The Travelling Tailor" .... who drives a special van to your site,
and does the sewing right there ! I think he is booked
several months in advance, so has to be called EARLY !!!!
Don't know if he'd drive to Quebec, though .... ;-)
Most any upholstery shop should do .... try the boat or RV
places ..

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

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On Friday 28 March 2008 19:23, jean.poirier@oxyportneuf.com wrote:
Hello

How much could I expect for a pair of seats in a Rebel (I supply the
standard frames)...

Jean
Rebel 747R


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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Ron Shannon
Ralph,

FWIW - That's about what it cost me (USD) three years ago to have Oregon
Aero build complete seats on my completed frames up using sling foundations
(no riveted seat skins), multi-layer foams, fabric, seat back pockets, etc.
I chose a fabric from their swatches, told them my priorities were safety,
then comfort, then aesthetics... and left the rest to them. I'm not quite
flying with them yet, but I am sitting on them frequently now. :-) They're
_very_ nice seats.

OA is certainly one of the premium seat builders. I don't know what their
current pricing might be, but you might check with them at least for
comparison purposes. Email me direct if you'd like more info.

Ron
254R


On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Ralph Knight <knightmr@telusplanet.net>wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and
he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Bob Palmer
I see that they have gone on holidays until the 1st Sept. No doubt much
needed and hopefully they all come back!
Bob
773E

Ralph Knight wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Jeff Micheal
Hi Ralph,

MAM no longer supplies parts/services they don't manufacturer themselves
(besides engines/props/windshields). Upholstery is very expensive and prices
can fluctuate, compare your local shops with those shops that do AC
interiors professionally -- the light of day (cost) will show then.

MAM is running on less than min. staff and emails are not priority, I called
yesterday just to get a message saying they're closed for the next couple of
weeks.

Jeff


On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Ralph Knight <knightmr@telusplanet.net>wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and
he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Ralph Knight
Thanks Ron, I'll check with them. Unfortunately I have already riveted my
seats and I just recently saw an Elite in our area with a broken riveted
seat. Ill have to modify my seats to strengthen them before I have them
covered.

Ralph

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Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:40 PM
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Ralph,

FWIW - That's about what it cost me (USD) three years ago to have Oregon
Aero build complete seats on my completed frames up using sling foundations
(no riveted seat skins), multi-layer foams, fabric, seat back pockets, etc.
I chose a fabric from their swatches, told them my priorities were safety,
then comfort, then aesthetics... and left the rest to them. I'm not quite
flying with them yet, but I am sitting on them frequently now. :-) They're
_very_ nice seats.

OA is certainly one of the premium seat builders. I don't know what their
current pricing might be, but you might check with them at least for
comparison purposes. Email me direct if you'd like more info.

Ron
254R


On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Ralph Knight
<knightmr@telusplanet.net>wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and
he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Ralph Knight
I hope they all come back too.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:03 AM
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I see that they have gone on holidays until the 1st Sept. No doubt much
needed and hopefully they all come back!
Bob
773E

Ralph Knight wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and
he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Ralph Knight
Hi Mike

Your message didn't come through

Ralph

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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Mike Betti
I had a lady here in upper mi that does that kind of work do my seats for
$125 a seat. She made covers that velcroed at the bottom. They have sown in
pleats and 2 different kinds of fabric. Kind of soft leather looking stuff.
I can email pics if requested.
Mike
Elite 771

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:43 AM
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Hi Ralph,

MAM no longer supplies parts/services they don't manufacturer themselves
(besides engines/props/windshields). Upholstery is very expensive and prices
can fluctuate, compare your local shops with those shops that do AC
interiors professionally -- the light of day (cost) will show then.

MAM is running on less than min. staff and emails are not priority, I called
yesterday just to get a message saying they're closed for the next couple of
weeks.

Jeff


On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Ralph Knight
<knightmr@telusplanet.net>wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and
he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Ralph Knight
Hi Mike,

I would appreciate some photos it would sure help

Thanks

Ralph 657E

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I had a lady here in upper mi that does that kind of work do my seats for
$125 a seat. She made covers that velcroed at the bottom. They have sown in
pleats and 2 different kinds of fabric. Kind of soft leather looking stuff.
I can email pics if requested.
Mike
Elite 771

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Micheal
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:43 AM
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Hi Ralph,

MAM no longer supplies parts/services they don't manufacturer themselves
(besides engines/props/windshields). Upholstery is very expensive and prices
can fluctuate, compare your local shops with those shops that do AC
interiors professionally -- the light of day (cost) will show then.

MAM is running on less than min. staff and emails are not priority, I called
yesterday just to get a message saying they're closed for the next couple of
weeks.

Jeff


On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Ralph Knight
<knightmr@telusplanet.net>wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and
he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm
by Ralph Knight
Thanks Jeff

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Micheal
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:43 AM
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Hi Ralph,

MAM no longer supplies parts/services they don't manufacturer themselves
(besides engines/props/windshields). Upholstery is very expensive and prices
can fluctuate, compare your local shops with those shops that do AC
interiors professionally -- the light of day (cost) will show then.

MAM is running on less than min. staff and emails are not priority, I called
yesterday just to get a message saying they're closed for the next couple of
weeks.

Jeff


On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Ralph Knight
<knightmr@telusplanet.net>wrote:
I understand that Murphy no longer supplies seat covers. I emailed them
several weeks ago to see if they could at least provide patterns so I can
have them made locally.



They haven't even been able to reply to my email!! So much for customer
service.



Does any one have patterns for the seat covers or the name of a shop that
can make a set for me (I live in Edmonton)? I tried one shop locally and
he
wanted over $1200.00 to do both seat covers in fabric only. This is twice
as much as I thought they should be. Maybe I am out of touch ?



Would appreciate any help or advice. Thanks



Ralph Knight 657E





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