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John Kramer

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by John Kramer » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Garry,

If I was building or repairing a set of floats I'd first buy Wayne's
CD of how to do it. I'm still waiting for his fuselage CD to be finished.

John... 369R



At 02:24 PM 6/27/2007, you wrote:
Some of you will remember that the floats for FOKM were damaged nearly 2
years ago and have been in repairs since. The chap doing the repairs is
at the spray rail stage and considers the amount of bending and
stretching of the material provided by Murphy to get to the compound
curve to be excessive and beyond any reasonable requirement. He also
says that more recent designs have the spray rails vertical, keeping the
spray more confined than the originals would.

1. Does anyone have comment on the amount of work to make these fit and
the tools etc required to get them there? How was it handled on float
kits that people have built? We don't have the instruction manual for them.

2. Does anyone have comment on the vertical rail suggestion?

Garry
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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Hi Garry My floats have vertical spray rails at the front inside of each
float to keep spray away from the prop. Just ahead of the step there's
spray rails sticking out both sides and bent down about 30 degrees. No
compuond curves on any of them. The ones at the step are there more as lift
devices than to control spray and there has been some discussion about
leaving the outside ones off or cutting them down to prevent damage from
docks.

At 01:24 PM 6/27/2007 -0600, you wrote:
Some of you will remember that the floats for FOKM were damaged nearly 2
years ago and have been in repairs since. The chap doing the repairs is
at the spray rail stage and considers the amount of bending and
stretching of the material provided by Murphy to get to the compound
curve to be excessive and beyond any reasonable requirement. He also
says that more recent designs have the spray rails vertical, keeping the
spray more confined than the originals would.

1. Does anyone have comment on the amount of work to make these fit and
the tools etc required to get them there? How was it handled on float
kits that people have built? We don't have the instruction manual for them.

2. Does anyone have comment on the vertical rail suggestion?

Garry
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Bob Fisher

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Bob Fisher » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

hi gary I would build them vertical the way they are now out on an
angle is a pain in the butt at docks and for banging you legs against
they are effective though for spray reduction bob fisher rebel 342
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From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] spray rails

Some of you will remember that the floats for FOKM were damaged nearly 2
years ago and have been in repairs since. The chap doing the repairs is
at the spray rail stage and considers the amount of bending and
stretching of the material provided by Murphy to get to the compound
curve to be excessive and beyond any reasonable requirement. He also
says that more recent designs have the spray rails vertical, keeping the
spray more confined than the originals would.

1. Does anyone have comment on the amount of work to make these fit and
the tools etc required to get them there? How was it handled on float
kits that people have built? We don't have the instruction manual for
them.

2. Does anyone have comment on the vertical rail suggestion?

Garry
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Garry Wright

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Garry Wright » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Thanks to all who replied. If we were building new I would be strongly
attracted to the vertical rail idea. As it is, adapting to vertical is a
pretty ugly kludge. Not sure what to do.

Garry

Bob Fisher wrote:
hi gary I would build them vertical the way they are now out on an
angle is a pain in the butt at docks and for banging you legs against
they are effective though for spray reduction bob fisher rebel 342
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Subject: [rebel-builders] spray rails

Some of you will remember that the floats for FOKM were damaged nearly 2
years ago and have been in repairs since. The chap doing the repairs is
at the spray rail stage and considers the amount of bending and
stretching of the material provided by Murphy to get to the compound
curve to be excessive and beyond any reasonable requirement. He also
says that more recent designs have the spray rails vertical, keeping the
spray more confined than the originals would.

1. Does anyone have comment on the amount of work to make these fit and
the tools etc required to get them there? How was it handled on float
kits that people have built? We don't have the instruction manual for
them.

2. Does anyone have comment on the vertical rail suggestion?

Garry
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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Hi Garry I'm going to drag my camera over to the hangar this afternoon
would some pictures help?

At 10:03 PM 6/28/2007 -0600, you wrote:
Thanks to all who replied. If we were building new I would be strongly
attracted to the vertical rail idea. As it is, adapting to vertical is a
pretty ugly kludge. Not sure what to do.

Garry

Bob Fisher wrote:
hi gary I would build them vertical the way they are now out on an
angle is a pain in the butt at docks and for banging you legs against
they are effective though for spray reduction bob fisher rebel 342
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From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] spray rails

Some of you will remember that the floats for FOKM were damaged nearly 2
years ago and have been in repairs since. The chap doing the repairs is
at the spray rail stage and considers the amount of bending and
stretching of the material provided by Murphy to get to the compound
curve to be excessive and beyond any reasonable requirement. He also
says that more recent designs have the spray rails vertical, keeping the
spray more confined than the originals would.

1. Does anyone have comment on the amount of work to make these fit and
the tools etc required to get them there? How was it handled on float
kits that people have built? We don't have the instruction manual for
them.

2. Does anyone have comment on the vertical rail suggestion?

Garry
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Garry Wright

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Garry Wright » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Hi Drew,

I would appreciate that a great deal. Direct to

garry@davincibb.net

would be great. Thanks.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
Hi Garry I'm going to drag my camera over to the hangar this afternoon
would some pictures help?

At 10:03 PM 6/28/2007 -0600, you wrote:
Thanks to all who replied. If we were building new I would be strongly
attracted to the vertical rail idea. As it is, adapting to vertical is a
pretty ugly kludge. Not sure what to do.

Garry

Bob Fisher wrote:
hi gary I would build them vertical the way they are now out on an
angle is a pain in the butt at docks and for banging you legs against
they are effective though for spray reduction bob fisher rebel 342
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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Subject: [rebel-builders] spray rails


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Robert Andrews

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Robert Andrews » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Gary,

Have zero 1800 construction experience, but perhaps some 2200 pics will
help?

www.aacnet.com/elite/2006-06-01

Cheers,

Bob 612e



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Garry Wright
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:37 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
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Hi Drew,

I would appreciate that a great deal. Direct to

garry@davincibb.net

would be great. Thanks.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
Hi Garry I'm going to drag my camera over to the hangar this afternoon
would some pictures help?

At 10:03 PM 6/28/2007 -0600, you wrote:
Thanks to all who replied. If we were building new I would be strongly
attracted to the vertical rail idea. As it is, adapting to vertical is a
pretty ugly kludge. Not sure what to do.

Garry

Bob Fisher wrote:
hi gary I would build them vertical the way they are now out on an
angle is a pain in the butt at docks and for banging you legs against
they are effective though for spray reduction bob fisher rebel 342
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From: "Garry Wright" <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
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Subject: [rebel-builders] spray rails

2
the

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Garry Wright

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Post by Garry Wright » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Hi Bob,

That helps. You have the right angle channel as a continuous piece,
stiffening the edge by effectively doubling the other right angle
channel but also to hold the spray rail. How far back did you run the
spray rail from the front of the float - I can't tell from the picture.

Garry

Robert Andrews wrote:
Gary,

Have zero 1800 construction experience, but perhaps some 2200 pics will
help?

www.aacnet.com/elite/2006-06-01

Cheers,

Bob 612e



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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] spray rails


Hi Drew,

I would appreciate that a great deal. Direct to

garry@davincibb.net

would be great. Thanks.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
Hi Garry I'm going to drag my camera over to the hangar this afternoon
would some pictures help?

At 10:03 PM 6/28/2007 -0600, you wrote:
Thanks to all who replied. If we were building new I would be strongly
attracted to the vertical rail idea. As it is, adapting to vertical is a
pretty ugly kludge. Not sure what to do.

Garry

Bob Fisher wrote:
2
the
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Robert Andrews

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Robert Andrews » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Gary,

The exact distance to run the rail from the front of the float is likely not
the same for your 1800's. But the first picture in the set (link) below may
give you an idea ratio wise of were to run it w/r/t your fwd spreader bar
location.

www.aacnet.com/elite/sprayrails

The spray rail itself is a cut-to-fit piece from 0.040" 6061-T6 sheet stock.
The 90 degree angle piece the sprail rail is mounted to, has one side worked
with a shrinker to bend it to match the shape of the float chine.

Hope this helps ...

Cheers,
Bob 612e

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Garry Wright
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:35 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] spray rails


Hi Bob,

That helps. You have the right angle channel as a continuous piece,
stiffening the edge by effectively doubling the other right angle
channel but also to hold the spray rail. How far back did you run the
spray rail from the front of the float - I can't tell from the picture.

Garry

Robert Andrews wrote:
Gary,

Have zero 1800 construction experience, but perhaps some 2200 pics will
help?

www.aacnet.com/elite/2006-06-01

Cheers,

Bob 612e



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Garry Wright
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] spray rails


Hi Drew,

I would appreciate that a great deal. Direct to

garry@davincibb.net

would be great. Thanks.

Garry

Drew Dalgleish wrote:
Hi Garry I'm going to drag my camera over to the hangar this afternoon
would some pictures help?

At 10:03 PM 6/28/2007 -0600, you wrote:
Thanks to all who replied. If we were building new I would be strongly
attracted to the vertical rail idea. As it is, adapting to vertical is a
pretty ugly kludge. Not sure what to do.

Garry

Bob Fisher wrote:
an
2
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the
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Floater docks... they're a non issue. Some crib docks though you have to be
vigilant.

Wayne

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Hi Thanks for the input on the rails. They perform great , but I was
concerned about docking & the fact that I`ve never seen another float with
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[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by drewjan » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

The real problem with docking is that the side skins are only .020 and not anywhere near tough enough to leave your plane unattended without a spring line to hold it off the dock.
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

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[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

I think the best I ever did.. and it was by fluke Drew.. those "rolling
tire" docks I made for everyone when Walter and Al came to visit in
Temagami. Worked like a charm.. never left a mark.... until the ice broke
them on me. I'll look for a picture to post.

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The real problem with docking is that the side skins are only .020 and not
anywhere near tough enough to leave your plane unattended without a spring
line to hold it off the dock.
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

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Hi Thanks for the input on the rails. They perform great , but I was
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Walter Klatt

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Walter Klatt » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Actually, the best was that air lift you had there, to lift the plane right
out of the water. Sure helped with the oil change I had to do on the water.
And I guess it saved your plane from that storm a few days before.

Walter

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G. O'Shea
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I think the best I ever did.. and it was by fluke Drew.. those "rolling
tire" docks I made for everyone when Walter and Al came to visit in
Temagami. Worked like a charm.. never left a mark.... until the ice broke
them on me. I'll look for a picture to post.

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The real problem with docking is that the side skins are only .020 and not
anywhere near tough enough to leave your plane unattended without a spring
line to hold it off the dock.
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

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Hi Thanks for the input on the rails. They perform great , but I was
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

2 x 10 and 2 x 8 joined together to make a 90* and then bolted to the end of
finger dock. Tires slipped over and they roll as the airplane goes up and
down in waves. Worked GREAT!

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/rollingtiredock.jpg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] spray rails

I think the best I ever did.. and it was by fluke Drew.. those "rolling
tire" docks I made for everyone when Walter and Al came to visit in
Temagami. Worked like a charm.. never left a mark.... until the ice broke
them on me. I'll look for a picture to post.

----- Original Message -----
From: <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] spray rails

The real problem with docking is that the side skins are only .020 and
not
anywhere near tough enough to leave your plane unattended without a
spring
line to hold it off the dock.
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Foster <rdrnr36@aol.com>
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:36:44
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Subject: [rebel-builders] spray rails

Hi Thanks for the input on the rails. They perform great , but I was
concerned about docking & the fact that I`ve never seen another float
with
the outside railsPutting the saw away for now ,probably falls into the
category of aint broke. don`t fix. Bill



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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] spray rails

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Yah.. the wharf master is pretty too....

http://www.irishfield.on.ca/gallery/djkleah.jpg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:48 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] spray rails

Actually, the best was that air lift you had there, to lift the plane
right
out of the water. Sure helped with the oil change I had to do on the
water.
And I guess it saved your plane from that storm a few days before.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:23 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] spray rails

I think the best I ever did.. and it was by fluke Drew.. those "rolling
tire" docks I made for everyone when Walter and Al came to visit in
Temagami. Worked like a charm.. never left a mark.... until the ice broke
them on me. I'll look for a picture to post.

----- Original Message -----
From: <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] spray rails

The real problem with docking is that the side skins are only .020 and
not
anywhere near tough enough to leave your plane unattended without a
spring
line to hold it off the dock.
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Foster <rdrnr36@aol.com>
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:36:44
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Reply-to: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] spray rails

Hi Thanks for the input on the rails. They perform great , but I was
concerned about docking & the fact that I`ve never seen another float
with
the outside railsPutting the saw away for now ,probably falls into the
category of aint broke. don`t fix. Bill



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