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Hello!
Confused regarding placement of Fuselage Root Ribs onto Bulkhead F and the
gusset for the Upright. From 03/14/95 Ch. 13 steps 209-210, Figs 82-83: I
don't understand how it's supposed to go. For fig 82a, the lower flange for
the root rib hits the upright when I try it. For 82b, I don't know what
flange
it's supposed to rest on. For me, flanges also hit each other.
Please see the attached JPEG and I'll send another so it won't be
compressed.
If you can't view it, let me know so I can make changes.
also, the flange that needs to be flattened on the root rib is the top one
on
the curved portion right?
Thanks,
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Tim Carter wrote:
What I did was copy the gear exactly to Chrome moly tube. Doubled and all.
Then instead of drilling and wrapping the bungees around a bolt I took 1"
tube,
welded large washers on the ends and welded these to the leg. Then I took a
smaller tube and welded an angle brace back from the washer end back to the
leg. The slide tube inside then could extend much farther into the leg. I
took it all the way to the bottom of the leg. It took quite a bit of
polishing
to make the parts slide well after welding to the outside of the tube but
now I
have a full length doubler. Since I was the cause of the "Cable AD" I opted
to
replace it with a solid 3\8" bolt. That would take some time to explain but
I
have a long 3\8" bolt that slides through an internal washer. At max
extension
it encounters a stop. The gear is naturally heavier, but I won't spend my
winters rebuilding because of it breaking. If you want more send me a
private
mail and I will fax you a drawing or something.
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Tim Carter wrote:
Tim,Dave:
Do you have details of your changes to the bungee gear? Specs, drawings,
etc...? I plan to use the bungee gear and would be interested in your
improvements to it.
Tim C
#438R
What I did was copy the gear exactly to Chrome moly tube. Doubled and all.
Then instead of drilling and wrapping the bungees around a bolt I took 1"
tube,
welded large washers on the ends and welded these to the leg. Then I took a
smaller tube and welded an angle brace back from the washer end back to the
leg. The slide tube inside then could extend much farther into the leg. I
took it all the way to the bottom of the leg. It took quite a bit of
polishing
to make the parts slide well after welding to the outside of the tube but
now I
have a full length doubler. Since I was the cause of the "Cable AD" I opted
to
replace it with a solid 3\8" bolt. That would take some time to explain but
I
have a long 3\8" bolt that slides through an internal washer. At max
extension
it encounters a stop. The gear is naturally heavier, but I won't spend my
winters rebuilding because of it breaking. If you want more send me a
private
mail and I will fax you a drawing or something.
Dave Bangle #42
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Joel:
SealPak (which is what came with my kit) makes two grades of 'Proseal'. One
is spatula-grade, thicker than peanut butter, and one is brushable-grade,
like honey.
I believe they are designated B2 for the spatula-grade and A2 for the
brushable-grade, with the "2" representing a 2 hour cure.
I have used both...the thick for the primary seal, and the thin for the
topcoat over rivet heads, etc.
I believe the thin will work better for you with no wavy lines in the skin.
SealPak:
316-942-6211
TimC
#438R
P.S.
My tanks are all sealed up with plugs while in storage, and they go 'whoosh'
when I open them after sitting thru some changes in barometric pressure...I
hope that means no leaks!!
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Dave,
Did you thin the proseal at all? I've found that the stuff is so thick that
if you are not careful, you can get a little waivyness in the rivet line
because it don't squeeze out so good.
Joel
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Joel:
SealPak (which is what came with my kit) makes two grades of 'Proseal'. One
is spatula-grade, thicker than peanut butter, and one is brushable-grade,
like honey.
I believe they are designated B2 for the spatula-grade and A2 for the
brushable-grade, with the "2" representing a 2 hour cure.
I have used both...the thick for the primary seal, and the thin for the
topcoat over rivet heads, etc.
I believe the thin will work better for you with no wavy lines in the skin.
SealPak:
316-942-6211
TimC
#438R
P.S.
My tanks are all sealed up with plugs while in storage, and they go 'whoosh'
when I open them after sitting thru some changes in barometric pressure...I
hope that means no leaks!!
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Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 3:30 PM
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sells as aWhile Bob Patterson is a strong believer in the Stits epoxy that Murphy
riveted wetbonding agent, I have taken many parts that were put together wet and
guysas suggested by a lot of guys. All parts just fell apart. While a lot of
fusalagemay groan when they read this, consider Pro Seal. I Pro Sealed my entire
Dave,
Did you thin the proseal at all? I've found that the stuff is so thick that
if you are not careful, you can get a little waivyness in the rivet line
because it don't squeeze out so good.
Joel
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Acetone to thin the thick stuff...
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OneJoel:
SealPak (which is what came with my kit) makes two grades of 'Proseal'.
Thanks for the tip Tim. When I need it a little thinner, I've used MEK oris spatula-grade, thicker than peanut butter, and one is brushable-grade,
like honey.
Acetone to thin the thick stuff...
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The attached picture is Rev Nut and tool and 4 Nut Plates (one floating type
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Chuck R176
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Hi Johannes
Nut Plates are the same as "ANCHOR NUT" which are shipped with the kit
under
the part number "F5000-3" or MS21059-3.
The MS number is the common part number used.
The -3 is the size .. 3/16 bolt or -4 for 1/4 inch bolt ,,,,
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Hi Johannes and all,
The attached picture is Rev Nut and tool and 4 Nut Plates (one floating type
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Chuck R176
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Hi Johannes
Nut Plates are the same as "ANCHOR NUT" which are shipped with the kit
under
the part number "F5000-3" or MS21059-3.
The MS number is the common part number used.
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From: Don Cormack <donald.cormack@utoronto.ca>
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Subject: Re: chamfered landing gear legs for SR2500
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Peter & Monica: I will be very interested to see your chamfered landing gear.
You may just have a sale! See you next Sunday in Brampton.
Don
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Donald E. Cormack
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School of Graduate Studies, and
Professor of Chemical Engineering
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Peter & Monica: I will be very interested to see your chamfered landing gear.
You may just have a sale! See you next Sunday in Brampton.
Don
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Donald E. Cormack
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School of Graduate Studies, and
Professor of Chemical Engineering
65 St. George Street
University of Toronto
Toronto, Canada M5S 2Z9
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cgill
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Mark,
The air intake was one of the more time consuming parts of our project. I
looked at a lot of different "real" airplanes to get ideas on how to build an
air intake system. The big problem with the SR is the lack of distance
between whatever air box you use and the fiberglass cowl - the short distance
does not give you much room to work in. Here's what I ended up doing:
On the engine/carburetor:
I ended up borrowing several used air boxes from a local salvage yard. It
looks like these were off old Cessna 180's/185's. I took the one with the
most functioning parts and then rebuilt the carb heat flapper and added hose
attachment flanges for two carb heat hoses. I cut the end off of the air box
to shorten it and to get rid of the 90 degree flange on the end. On this
shortened end I riveted sections of rubber sheet that extend out past the
inlet end of the air box about 2 inches on all four sides.
On the fiberglass cowl:
I bought a bracket air filter and housing and riveted this to the inside of
the cowl after cutting out an opening in the air intake part of the cowl. I
might be able to find the part # if you are interested. It was the largest
air filter that would fit in the cowl opening.
Assembly:
When I put on my lower cowl the aluminum Bracket air filter housing slides up
against the front of the air box on the carburetor. The rubber around the
opening of the air box slides around the outside of the Bracket filter
housing. The aluminum Bracket air filter housing does not touch the air box
as this would be a constant vibration wear point. My theory on the rubber on
the end of the air box is that the high pressure in the lower cowl as well as
the air box vacuum would hold the rubber tight enough around the air box to
seal everything up. The only safety check I need to make is when I put on my
lower cowl I check to make sure the rubber is on the outside of the Bracket
housing and that it did not slip into the housing.
I may have photos if you're interested.
Chris Gill, SR#025
-----Original Message-----
From: mark
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:07 PM
To: gill@gci.net
Subject: air intake
chris, glad to see ur up and flying, mark kohut sr 2500 #016 here in chicago
have a few ?'s i'm about ready to install my engine io-540 converted to 0-540
with a fixed pitch prop what did u do for an air intake system any pointers in
this matter will be appreciated , look for your reply and great job hope to
have first flite come late spring early summer. mark
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The air intake was one of the more time consuming parts of our project. I
looked at a lot of different "real" airplanes to get ideas on how to build an
air intake system. The big problem with the SR is the lack of distance
between whatever air box you use and the fiberglass cowl - the short distance
does not give you much room to work in. Here's what I ended up doing:
On the engine/carburetor:
I ended up borrowing several used air boxes from a local salvage yard. It
looks like these were off old Cessna 180's/185's. I took the one with the
most functioning parts and then rebuilt the carb heat flapper and added hose
attachment flanges for two carb heat hoses. I cut the end off of the air box
to shorten it and to get rid of the 90 degree flange on the end. On this
shortened end I riveted sections of rubber sheet that extend out past the
inlet end of the air box about 2 inches on all four sides.
On the fiberglass cowl:
I bought a bracket air filter and housing and riveted this to the inside of
the cowl after cutting out an opening in the air intake part of the cowl. I
might be able to find the part # if you are interested. It was the largest
air filter that would fit in the cowl opening.
Assembly:
When I put on my lower cowl the aluminum Bracket air filter housing slides up
against the front of the air box on the carburetor. The rubber around the
opening of the air box slides around the outside of the Bracket filter
housing. The aluminum Bracket air filter housing does not touch the air box
as this would be a constant vibration wear point. My theory on the rubber on
the end of the air box is that the high pressure in the lower cowl as well as
the air box vacuum would hold the rubber tight enough around the air box to
seal everything up. The only safety check I need to make is when I put on my
lower cowl I check to make sure the rubber is on the outside of the Bracket
housing and that it did not slip into the housing.
I may have photos if you're interested.
Chris Gill, SR#025
-----Original Message-----
From: mark
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:07 PM
To: gill@gci.net
Subject: air intake
chris, glad to see ur up and flying, mark kohut sr 2500 #016 here in chicago
have a few ?'s i'm about ready to install my engine io-540 converted to 0-540
with a fixed pitch prop what did u do for an air intake system any pointers in
this matter will be appreciated , look for your reply and great job hope to
have first flite come late spring early summer. mark
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LisaFly99
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In a message dated 11/21/01 11:30:59 PM Central Standard Time, cgill@dcsol.com writes:
Where you located in the Chitown area?
Phil&Lisa Smith
R460
N414D
MARKsr 2500 #016 here in chicago
Where you located in the Chitown area?
Phil&Lisa Smith
R460
N414D
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